Winchester Model '92, Octagon Barrel, 44 WCF, Factory Gun?

3 years ago #1
Tango6
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Not sure what if this gun is correct or if it has been pieced together or remarked as a friend of mine suggested. It is a Model 1892 with a octagon barrel (24 inches i believe) in .44 WCF. I was told it was a takedown barrel but since I have little experience with these guns I am unsure. Looks to be the original wood that is very good shape. The receiver has marks from where someone took steel wool to it. Two of the screw to not sit completely flush so I assume they are not original. There is still some case hardening on the lever and the barrel is about 70-80%. It also has the butt plate and the SN is #37699.
I looked for this rifle in some books and could not find a description that fit my gun so I was curious if it was something that someone put together with spare parts, some kind of special order, or if I missed something and this is a normal gun for a Model 92. Not as important but if anyone can give me a value that would be nice too.

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3 years ago #2
2bit
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Hello Tango6,

Your rifle was serialized right at the end of 1894. It was most likely fully assembled and sold in the begining of 1895. For an exact date please take a look at the following link and get back to us with more details. http://www.gunvaluesboard.com/when-exactly-was-your-gun-manufactured-1404.html

Can you post a good clear close up photo of the left side of the receiver please? . Do not use a white background. Green, blue or brown will do fine. Please take the rifle outdoors into bright open shade and let Mother Nature provide the light. Turn off the flash. The rifle is a take down version of the sporting rifle configuration of the Model 1892. They are fairly common.

When I see the other photo I should be able to help further.

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Michael

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3 years ago #3
Tango6
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Yeah, it was nighttime when I took the pictures so I worked with what I had. Hopefully these will be of more help.

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3 years ago #4
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Hello,

According to the Winchester factory ledger data your serial number was originally built as a saddle ring carbine configuration rifle. It entered the warehouse on May 6 1895 and was shipped out on June 4 1895. There is a notation that the gun was returned for was returned on September 16 1895. There is no notation of what was done to the rifle. It is possible that the configuration was changed at this time but to do so would have required a fair amount of work to the gun. I asked for the left side of the receiver photo to see if there was any evidence that there had ever been a saddle ring mounted there but it is not apparent in the photos.

Based on all of the photos the rifle is 100% correct for it SN range. The stamp styles and placement are all correct. The marks on the receiver are not from steel wool but rather are caused by the forging process of the metal. They are quite common.

Michael

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3 years ago #5
Tango6
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Thanks for your help. It is interesting that the book my friend used to get a further description of the rifle reported that it was made in 1905 and had no mention of there being a 44 WCF in the model 1892. That had us quite confused. I will send off for a letter for the gun. Do you know if there is any way to find out exactly what work was done to the gun? I was told that it was a special order along with 128 other rifles. Is it a common practice to send these guns back for work like that? Thanks for all your help.

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3 years ago #6
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Hello,

I am obviously not sure what book your friend used but it is woefully inaccurate. The Model 1892 rifle was offered in 4 different calibers during production; 44 WCF, 38 WCF, 32 WCF, and 25-20 WCF. The 44 caliber production was by far the largest percentage of guns made. The 1905 date of manufacture is way off the mark also. Are you certain he was looking at 1892 statistics? There is no way to find out what work was done to the rifle. That sort of information does not still exist. It is quite uncommon for for a rifle to be returned and the total configuration to be altered as supposedly happened to your rifle.

Can I ask if you bought this rifle from a shop called Wildwood? I am doing some research on the 1892's and saw it for sale by them.

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Michael

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3 years ago #7
Tango6
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No, I got as payment on a debt owed. I live in Oklahoma so I am not sure if I ended up with the rifle your talking about.

The book he was looking in was the Winchester pocket guide. I did no see the words myself so there is no way I can verify if he had the correct model. He is a competent person so I took him at his word.

Curiously, do you think that adds any value to the gun? Is it something I should get insured?

Thanks again for all your help.

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