the gun store only interest is SELLING, to make money.
of course the gun shop salesman could have been stupid
or lacked knowledge of old gun safety
basically the bore diameter was about .458. But with much shooting over a hundred years or so the bore diameter would enlarge. I have a trapdoor rifle a cadet and two carbines. I use slightly over the .458 dia. bullet, which is .462 Since I'm only using lead there is no problem with oversize. Therefore look for or cast a .462 lead bullet, about 485 grain +/-. You can used 20 grains of X-truded XMP 5744 smokeless powder. Although this is a modern smokeless powder you will note I ONLY used 20 grains, not 70 grains. Next I put a 1/4 piece of toilet tissue down the case over the powder and tamp it down with the end of a rubber end pencil. this keeps the powder over the primer.
the 45/70 rifle was made for indian fighting which meant they were firing as much as 200 yards at indians. if you shoot 100 yards you have to change your front sight blade. a good gun smith will understand the reasoning for blade change. if you change front sight blade store it in the butt stock, don't throw away. and, find a re-loader to help you.
I'm contemplating on buying a 1873. Serial number is 31xxx. They are only asking $495. it does come with a bayonet and is in fair condition for something that's over a hundred years old. Do you know approximate year it was made and is it at a fair price. Thanks.
the 45/70 trapdoor production started in 1873 and your trapdoor was made in 1874. As to price - yes, good price IF not rusted out and bore not dark or rusted out.
If you plan on shooting it bore should be clean even if dark. pitted bore no good. You can't shoot factory ammo. You have to buy or re-load black powder shells.
trapdoor prices depend on overall condition and can range from $700 to $1200 +/-
I have a model of 1884 rifle with a mirror bore. paid $100 for it. but, that was about 30 years ago.
I have an 1873 45/70 with serial number 5388 (yeah, really!) When was this one made, 1873? I remember my dad and I shooting it 50 years ago. Even has the bayonet and metal sheath.
your trapdoor rifle was made in 1874
Thank you, John!
Prices on these guns really gripe me....I bought minty versions of all three variations in 2002...for abut 1800 each..and now they are worth about 1200 each...why did the prices go backward on old pristine antiques????
like everything else, ups and downs. 10 years ago could buy old 20 dollar gold pieces for about $800 each.
now the want $2000 and up...... 10 years from now probably go down to $900 each ???
same with trapdoors. for junk they are asking $500
and for good shooter $800 and up.
as for mint trapdoors you may have paid too much, but they will go up in time as there are no relacement for mint condition pieces and mint pieces are getting scarce.
decent trapdoor carbines are price from $1200 to $1800.
I paid about $1500 each for my two carbines and they were not mint, but nice.
i have a model 1873 that is my dads and the # on it is 464399. i would appreciate any info u can get me on it. im wondering about the sight on the end of the barrel because it looks like something could have been broke off. thanks
your trapdoor was made in 1889. I believe the front sight is held in place with a pin. because the 45/70 rifle was initially made for shooting indians at about 200 + yards, so the front sight blade had to be changed for shorter distance shooting..
on the barrel the piece is about3/16 wide about 1/4 long with the barrel. then it just has a thin piece that runs through the center. but the top edge of that is kind of rough and a little uneven like maybe something broke off. how high up off the barrel should the sight be. and is it just a straight flat blade for the top of it. thanks craig
the original front sight was, I think, about 1/2 inch or more high. but the sight had to be lowered or cut down for shooting at 100 yards or so. I think I had a 3/8 inch high front sight put on my 45/70 by a gunsmith.....
Lowering the front sight will make it shoot higher. I think you meant it had to be raised, to be sighted for the shorter distance, right?
this is a 1/4 inch high. im not sure what the story is on this gun be cause my dad is 87 and cant remember about the gun anymore. i know he told me years ago about it but i dont remember the story anymore. it just has a rough edge across the top so i didnt know if it had been broke off. maybe somebody did a bad job of cutting it off. not real sure. trying to figure out if i need to find somebody to look at it and fix it if it needs it. will have to clean it and look at the bore and hope its in good shape. would kind of like to shoot it, but need to make sure its safe. thanks
Jon, understand what you are saying. when I shot my original trapdoor with original high front sight at 100 yards I HAD to shoot at the base of the target, in the dirt, to hit the target ??? I had the front sight changed and can now shoot right on at 100 yards.
Craig, suggest you contact a gunsmith to iron out the do's and don't's on front sight......
hope i can find someone that knows something about them to figure outwhat to do with it or just leave it alone. not alot of places in this area that work on guns.it would be in omaha ne. where i would try to find someone. thanks for the info. craig
go on line to: trapdoors.com
there are a bunch of trapdoor people to ask question on front sight replacement.
Craig, let me know what you find out. I've got a "globe" site on mine and wishing to change it out for the blade site.
ok thanks for the info
Hi, can anyone tell me when my trapdoor sn# 422408 was made please?
trapdoor #422408 was made in 1888.
the people you told me about have the sights on hand and told me a little about the gun. wasnt in the data base but #,s around mine came from the ohio infrantry.thanks for the help
look up can be done for a PRICE. the probability of matching a trapdoor to a solder or unit is unlikely. so, they then proceed to find serial numbers CLOSE to the gun being checked and indicate 'possible' unit to which the gun 'might' have bee assigned. small amount of records do exist listing a serial number trapdoor to a unit. but,almost like tracing a WW2 garand to a unit or soldier. Impossible.
Greetings Folks , I have a 2nd. Allin Conversion 1866 trapdoor marked C.R.S. 112 on the center-line of the bbl. just in front of the Knox form , any ideas as to the meaning of the abbreviation?
All the best -Ox
Check with <email> , he has a free serial # look-up and may be able to help with the abbreviation.
This Trapdoor has no serial number , just the 1864 lockplate, 1866 on breech block , and the aforementioned CRS 112.
There is no link to the member you are referring t
Type in Trapdoorsgalor in you search bar. Lots of trapdoor stuff but not cheap! Forget the .com
Trapdoors marked with 1860 date are civil war muskets converted to 50/70 trapdoors which are referred to as Allen conversions. In 1873 the 45/70 was born . If a trapdoor shows a 1860's date it was a converted musket.