3 years ago #1
JP@AK
Guru
Blogs: 20
Forum: 16,818
Votes: 527
Guest wrote:
I have a rifle and was wondering about the value.

1914 Russian Mosin-Nagant sniper rifle in 7.62mm.

Im just looking for a general value and possibly a history.


Can any Moderators or Contributors help this fellow out?

Thanks.

JP
Posted on Military
Answer
3 years ago #2
discover
Guru
Blogs: 14
Forum: 13,953
Votes: 722

Well there are many variations...factories ...countries of East E. and even US Remingtion made a bunch.

Most refurbished ones you see a shows sell for 150....if in orginal blue and well used then about 300-350 retail, etc

depends on maker and condition etc
need a photo

Reply
3 years ago #3
bigcurt
Wiz
Blogs: 5
Forum: 5,160
Votes: 149

hello,,i don't beleive the russians used a sniper during ww1.. the mosin nagant model 1891 would be the model for a 1914 dated mosin,,these were a longer barreled rifle with a barrel 31.5" long ,,the front site was a fixed blade without a hood ,,these typically are found with russina markings and large crest on the receiver ring,,westinghouse and remington made model 91's under contract and these command a preimium over russian marked models ,,these models used wire sling hangers..

the next change to the mosins was the 1891 dragoon model ,,basically the same but with a shortened barrel to 28.75",,and also the handguard was shortened and the addition of sling slots in buttstock and froend for use with a sling that was held in place with 2 leather straps sometimes refered to as dog collars

the russians did convert model 1891 rifles to the model 91/30 configurations in the 30's and a new ,model was introduced as the 91/30 ,,the hex receiver found on the model 91 was replaced with a cylinder type receiver ,,the barrel was about the same as the dragoon model at 27.7",,,and the front site was replaced with a globe style front stite ,,this was the standard rifle used during ww2 and over 15 million were made ,,

this is the model that the russians typically used for there sniper rifles ,,the rifle was drilled and taped for a side mounted rail with the addition of the PU straight tube scope ,,there were other variations of scopes used but typically the PU 3.5 power was the commonest,,there is also a PE 4x scope with a belled end tube that commands a preimium.. the bolt handle was also changed to a bent type for use with the scope this rifle atained fame with the release of the movie "enemy at the gates",, an excellent movie,,this rifle was usually numbered with the scopes number along side the serial number and scopes were serialed to the rifles and these numbers should match on original rifles ,,

in the early 2000's the snipers hit the shores and there were many ,,some had matching serial numbers and scopes and they sold for over 500 bucks ,,then as more hit the shores alot were without scopes ,,they still retained the bent bolt but the mounting holes for the scope mount was filled and reround and reblued ,,this was typically done by just filling the holes with weld and grinding them smooth ,,they were sold as snipers with the holes filled ,,close examination you would be able to see the original holes that were filled when the bolt was opened looking at the inside of the receiver side rail,,these typically sold for around 149-200,,many guys bought them drilled the weld out and remounted the scope and mount and turned them back into sniper rifles ,,but they were mismatched,,some companys put the scopes back on and sold them as mismatched snipers ,,

in the market today .i've seen some of the filled "EX-snipers from around 125-200,,for an original non matching rifle with mismatched scope there in the 250-350 range ,,for a complete example with matching scope with covers and correct could bring around 500-750 depending on the scope thats on it ,,

there were some original model 1891 rifles converted to the 91/30 specs and i guess a 1914 dated model may have slipped into the pile and had the conversion to sniper but i would rather guess the rifle in question is someones idea of trying to make a RARE bird instead of it being as issued..it could have been done but without documentation it would proably raise alot of eyebrows and again it can't be "as issued" in 1914 in my opinion ..
bigcurt

Reply
3 years ago #4
discover
Guru
Blogs: 14
Forum: 13,953
Votes: 722

Of course I assumed the 91/30 version..the original are never seen

Reply
3 years ago #5
JP@AK
Guru
Blogs: 20
Forum: 16,818
Votes: 527

Wow, bigcurt!
Lots of good info here. Thanks for answering. As I mentioned in the other post, I knew absolutely nothing about these rifles, except that I shot one once. Now I am a little bit more educated about them, thanks to you.
Good work.
JP

Reply
3 years ago #6
amx4080
Junior Member
Blogs: 0
Forum: 21
Votes: 2

Here's a good reference on Mosin Nagant rifles, for a lot of varieties: http://www.mosinnagant.net/.

As for the current values, M91/30 rifles are averaging just over $200 from recent auctions (data here). Condition and markings greatly change the price of Mosin Nagant rifles, even with the common varieties; for instance if the M91/30 has an [SA] mark - denoting Finnish usage - it can command a premium over a very common date, say 1942 and refurbished. These rifles have a ton of history. Beware, once you start collecting Mosin Nagants the multiply like rabbits.

Reply
3 years ago #7
bigcurt
Wiz
Blogs: 5
Forum: 5,160
Votes: 149

it's amazing what some people will pay for guns at an auction, ,pick up an issue of shotgun news and you will find 91/30 rifles for under 100 bucks still,,44's have went up in value and i'm seeing them in the 200 range and 38's are even higher not to mention 91/59's or the ex or regular sniper variants ,,or the finnish m27 versions ,,buy the 91/30 now before they do go up in price ! like the rest did when the supply dried up,,another still availabe russian surplus item is the nagant revolvers ,,they can still be found fairly cheap and the supply will dry up completly one day and prices will go up,,heres a link to one of the companys currently selling 91/30s and there prices are from 85-99 bucks www.jgsales.com get em while ya can they even have some ex snipers for 119 bucks,,so why would someone pay 200 bucks for one at auction .. and most of these come with a bayo, sling and cleaning kit
bigcurt

Reply
3 years ago #8
discover
Guru
Blogs: 14
Forum: 13,953
Votes: 722

Hi big curt
Where can I get a fully authentic, all matched, parts sniper to go with my German collection of Snipers? I have a Swiss M41 with matched scope base and can etc....thats the most accurate mil gun I ever owned.

Tell me its you that has one since I dont trust anyone else I dont want junk ...just the real thing. cost is no object
Mark

Reply
3 years ago #9
discover
Guru
Blogs: 14
Forum: 13,953
Votes: 722

I mean Russian 91/30 of course

Reply
3 years ago #10
bigcurt
Wiz
Blogs: 5
Forum: 5,160
Votes: 149

there a nice addition and originals are starting to get a little hard to find with the correct parts ,,give JG sales a call ,,they may still have some ,,they were around 500 bucks and had a hand select option ,,make sure there matching and ww2 issued not a current remaded one ,,also i found another firm called royal tiger imports.com in NC that was listing originals for around 700 with correct parts ,,J+G are pretty straight shooters and there items are usually as described ,,i never had any dealing with the tiger imports company ,,,,pick up an issue of shotgun news and i'm sure theres more listed,,i haven't seen a SOG (southern ohio gun) flyer for awhile ,,they used to carry them also ,,i'm kinda getting outa touch with the distributors since the gun shop closed up ,,just specify your looking for an original with matching numbered scope ,,your proably looking at a PU sniper ,,the PE's are pretty hard to find but there the more collectable model ,,i'll do some checking for ya and see whats out there and pm ya with the results,,
later buddy
bigcurt

Reply
3 years ago #11
discover
Guru
Blogs: 14
Forum: 13,953
Votes: 722

I want a PE with all the original finish with a numbered scope bag...And if available a living Russian private in full uniform

Thanks for looking for me...I am in Italy now for a month. Snowed in here

Reply
By entering this site you declare you are 18 or older, you read and agreed to its Terms, Rules & Privacy and you understand that your use of the site's content is made at your own risk and responsibility.
Copyright © 2006 - 2015 Gun Values Board