I have a iver johnson .410 champion , where the serial number should be there are no numbers but the letters IBRC instead, what does this mean? are the letters the serial numbers? Thank you
Yes,the letters are the serial number. Iver Johnson used a few different types of systems for serial numbers from straight numbers, to numbers and letters to all letters. A serial number that is all letters usually indicates the gun is from around 1940-1956. The earlier guns were all numbers.
I have the same shotgun my grandpa gave me before he died. On the barrel it says pat'd. June 15 15 pat's. Pending. The serial number is 22765. Do you have any idea what year it might be?
Look behind the trigger guard.
The following info deals with serial numbers on an Iver Johnson Champion 410 gauge shotgun. Mine is 705xx with no letters.
use of letters code that seem to help identify is how many letter suffixes there are:
no letter suffixes= 1909-1919
one letter suffix= 1920-1929
two letter suffix= 1930-1939
all letters= 1940-1956
Thanks for that post. My .410 is 90812 (behind the trigger guard, and on the bottom of the barrel) so that puts in in the 1909-1919 range. It's fair condition at best, and I was going to cut it down for a backpacker, but not any more. If it made it to 100 yrs old, it would be wrong to hack it up now.
I have an Iver Johnson .410 single that my dad had for many years. the serial reads 95769
no letters any place. I'm guessing it was made in the late teens, (1918 area)
Would that be a fair guess?
Yes, it would be a fair guess that it was made in the teens or very early 20's.
Made between 1915 and 1919.
The .410 bore 2 1/2" shot shell was introduced in the 1915 time frame. The 3" .410 bore shell was introduced by Winchester-Western in 1933. Prior to 1915, the 2” .410 bore Eley cartridge had been imported from England and chambered in a few shotguns by Harrington and Richardson Arms Company and J. Stevens Arms and Tool Company.
Any .410 bore gun produced between circa 1900 and 1935 will be chambered for the 2” Eley cartridge or the 2 1/2" shell only and should not be fired with a 3" .410 bore shell. Firing the 3" shell in a short chamber will create dangerous pressures that could damage the gun and injure the shooter or bystanders. If contemplating using a .410 bore gun made in the 1900-1935 era, and evaluation by a competent gunsmith to determine chamber length is strongly advised.
my uncles father in laws old gun passed to me is 26127 1909-1919 dirty but fair shape thinking of having barrel re blued but WONDER ? if should fire with modern loads? : stamped on weapon barrel ( 410 gauge barrel and lug forged into one)
It will handle modern loads for shells designed for it's chamber length providing the bore is not all pitted. If it has a 2 " or 2 1/2" chamber (will be one of the two) then do not shoot 3" magnums through it.
Has it any vaule to collectors ? besides the idea it was my loved family members weapon. ( not for sale )
Value will not be great and that will depend greatly on the condition that it is in and if its original condition. .410's have a little higher value than larger gauges but being a single shot and being an Iver Johnson which aren't that rare, it's not a high value gun. If there is no bluing left on the barrel and if the stock needs refinishing , action loose, bore pitted etc. it could be a $75.00 gun on up to $250.00 for one that's like new and original.
LD: Your shotgun was made between 1916 and 1919 and is chambered for the .410 bore 2 1/2" shell. The 3" .410 bore shell was not introduced until 1933.
Modern 2 1/2" .410 bore ammunition should be safe to use, however, no one on the internet can determine if a firearm is safe. To insure safety, an evaluation by a competent gunsmith is warranted.
Personally, I would not reblue the barrel. You are likely to pay close to what the gun is worth to get it reblued and reblueing it will not raise the value of the gun.
You might consider on e of the spray-on finishes. Reports are that they are relatively easy to apply and are durable.
Check these finishes out as www.brownells.com or www.midwayusa.com.
See Rob62's blog on these finishes: http://www.gunvaluesboard.com/an-inexpensive-method-to- re-finish-a-firearm-spray-on-finishes-the-basics.- 1800.html
sounds like a fair answer did not expect to much, Vaule is pretty much related to family trees. (right ) I like finishing wood stocks an wood carving do a lot of it sounds like a project for me to give to daughter. Thank you for your coments.
Hello gentlemen, I picked up an
Iver Johnson 410 single shot like what is being discussed here, serial number 27560, made between 1905-1919 according to the info posted here, can anyone determine a closer year?
Your champion Model was made between 1916 and 1919. There are no records avaialble to give a more exact date of manufacture.
This shotgun is chambered for the .410 bore 2 1/2" shell only. It is not safe to use 3" .410 bore shells in this shotgun.
Thank you sir!
I noticed that there is some noticeable rust in the barrel, close to the firing chamber.
Is there a known way to remove or lessen it?
Or where could I find a barrel or parts gun?
Woody: I would soak it with a good penetrating oil like "Kroil" for a couple of days and then use bronze copper wool and more oil to scrub out as much of the rust as possible.
I have a Iver Johnson Champion made in Coburg serial # 20826 and Idea Oof age and estimated value? It's in very good condition
There is no information available to indicate that Iver Johnson Arms and Cycle Works ever had a manufacturing facility in Canada. Current supposition is that they had a marketing office in Canada, and marked products destined for the Canadian market to indicate Canadian Manufacture.
There are no records to indicate what serial numbers were marketed in Canada nor when they were marketed.
Retail value for a gun in good or better condition would range from $75 to $150 depending on mechanical and bore condition and remaining original wood and metal finish.
Iver Johnson had a contract with the H. W .Cooey Machine and Arms Co of Cobourg Ontaro to assemble shotguns starting in 1932 up until at least 1939. Cooey was a Canadian firearms manufacturer in Cobourg Ontario. They were taken over by Winchester in 1961 and Winchester closed the doors in 1979. Both the Iver Johnson Champion and Hercules double barrel shotguns were finished and assembled at the Cooey plant. Living in Canada, I have a few Iver Johnsons that bear the Cobourg stamping. The information regarding the Iver Johnson-Cooey connection was taken from the Cooey book by John Belton.
I inherited a 410 Champion with serial number 19347 stamped on all three components. The ejector case at the bottom of the barrel is stamped, "FOR 3" SHELLS". Does this mean that this was an unusual 'non-modified' shotgun made for 3" shells, or was it modified sometime at a later date?. Thanks, Pat
Pat: Your shotgun. if factory marked for 3" shells, would have been made between 1936-1940.
It should have a two letter suffix at the end of the serial number. Check with a magnifying glass. Periodically, marking dies will break and not be noticed for a period of time. A slightly mismarked firearm would not be rejected by the inspector, even if it was noticed.
Factory mismarked firearms are not rare. Your question is the second question on a mismarked firearm today.
I have one days HHR. Would this be all letters?
Tim: Your shotgun was made in the period 1940-1950 when Iver Johnson used letters instead of numbers for serialization.
Any idea how old a Champion .410 with the serial TT25036 is?
Lisa: Made in the period 1930-1939. There are no records to give a more exact date.
Unless marked n the barrel for the.410 bore 3" shell, you shotgun would be chambered for the .410 bore 2 1/2" shell only. The use of 3" .410 bore shells in a shotgun chambered for the .410 bore 2 1/2" shell is not considered safe.
I have a similar Iver Johnson shotgun ser#29616 I would the year it was manufactured