5 years ago#1
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I have a Winchester Model 1912, 12 gauge shotgun. Serial number is 84185 (found on two partst. It has a solid rib down the top of the barrel. solid wood pump grip has a inverted pyramid design with checker like hatch marks. The pistol grip is screwed on and has this same design in the very dark wood, above the grip the inverted pyramid checkered design is repeated. The wood is very dark no damage. At the end of the butt there is a red-rubberish shock absorber with diamand cut outs--it is stamped "Hawkins".....Barrel bluing is 99 percent athe champer bluing (the area above the trigger from the butt to the barrell has lost most of its bluing. Any ideas and any cost estimates?

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5 years ago#2
2bit
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Guest,

Your shotgun was made in 1915. Your description of the condition an configuration is excellent. Thank you.

Just a couple of questions. What is the barrel length and choke designation. You will have to measure the length. The choke will be marked on the left side near the receiver.

The solid rib is a bonus as is the checkered stock.

Looking forward to hearing back from you
2bit

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5 years ago#3
wayne
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The barrell is 30 inches, and the chamber is 2 3/4 full, maybe the barrell bluing is slightly less than 99 percent, but i wouldn't thik much less. I figured this gun had to date to the 19-teens as it has been in my family since my grandfather's youth (I know the provenance) (he was born in 1901)...what modeld you think his is heavy duck? skeet? superfield. Do have a high low price estimate? Thanks so much!

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5 years ago#4
wayne
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part two of the answer, my measuring device may be a bit flawed was there a 31 or 32 inch barrell? see my preceding more complete response

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5 years ago#5
2bit
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Wayne

I cut and pasted your other post in here so I have all the info together. It is way to hard for me to have to go look between different posts.


Update: My Winchester Model 1912, 12 gauge shotgun with the serial number 84185 (found on two parts), was, made in 1915 (thanks for the info Twobit). It has a solid rib down the top of the barrel. The barrel is at least 30 inches, and the chamber is 2 3/4 Full, The Solid wood pump grip has an inverted pyramid design with checker like hatch marks. The pistol grip is screwed on and has this same design in the very dark wood, above the grip, the inverted pyramid checkered design is repeated. The wood is very dark with no damage. At the end of the butt there is a red-rubber like shock absorber with diamond cut outs--it is stamped "Hawkins".....The Barrel bluing is 99-95 percent with a couple of very small lighter spots. The chamber bluing (the area above the trigger from the butt to the barrel has lost most of its bluing). Does anyone have a high low price estimate, and is the duck, skeet or trap model? It’s not diamond…super-field? Thanks so much!

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5 years ago#6
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Wayne,

Your shotgun should look like the one in the photo below. But with much less bluing on the receiver. It is a bit hard to see but that gun also has the solid rib on the top of the barrel.

The gun could originally be ordered with barrel lengths from 26 to 32 inches in even inch increments. I am out at my ranch right now but I do have original Winchester catalogs from 1914 and 1916 at the house back in the city. I will let you know what the origianl price was in a few days.

The recoil pad is not factory original so that is a bit of a deduction. It concerns me a bit that the receiver condition is so out of line with the barrel bluing and the wood finish. Typically a gun will "age" evenly across all surfaces. This mismatch may indicate that the barrel has been reblued and the wood refinished. Refinishing checkered wood is typically easily seen by the reduction in the depth of the checkering. I would need some good detail photos to be able to tell. If the barrel bluing has been redone the tell tale marks are shallow imprinting on the barrel address on the left side. Again photos would be needed.

So let's assume it is all original except the pad.
It would be worth around $900 to $1000 mainly due to the poor receiver bluing and the pad. If the barel and the wood has been messed with it is major deductions down to maybe the $250 range. OUCH!

I would be willing to refine it some more if you send in some photos.

Thanks
2bit

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5 years ago#7
wayne
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Thanks for the helpful and honest response. I understand about these things as I am a military helmet collector and the rules are the same in principle, about refurbishing etc. I know nothing about firearms though.....but I understand the points. It looks like a pretty good match in the picture, except the wood on my gun looks much darker.....I will try to load some pictures......

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5 years ago#8
wayne
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another subtle difference on the photo, is that the pyrimidical checkers on the choke (the pulling part) has the base of the pyramid on the top, next to the barrel and apex is pointing down. Again the wood is much darker

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5 years ago#9
2bit
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Wayne,

The pulling part is called the slide. Sometimes the checkering pattern on a rifle or shotgun would change during the production run of a gun. I will have to look at some references at home to see what is correct for your guns year. I will definitely need some good photos of this checkering and that on the stock at the pistol grip.

Thanks
2bit

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5 years ago#10
waynecol
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I can only add one picture?

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5 years ago#11
waynecol
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1bit I am trying to add more pictures of the gun

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5 years ago#12
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I meant 2bit sorry....

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1 year ago#13
Shenderick moore
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I have a Winchester model 1912 nickel plated also

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1 year ago#14
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Guest Shenderick moore..... You have jumped into a 3 year old thread. If you have a question , go to the Winchester section on the forum and post it as a new question. You will need to give a complete description including serial number and add some clear quality pics along with whatever question you had.

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