5 years ago #1
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i have a 28 gauge double barrel with dual hammers gold inlay a craved stock with a monkey head with ruby eyes it was purchased by my grandfather from an antique auction in 1960 and its in excellent condition theres a few numbers on it but the only writing is siemens martin steel on the barrels and there is crowns engraved in the barrels with gold in them thanks

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5 years ago #2
bigcurt
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i suppose it doesn't have any type of name on it ,,without knowing who made it it's impossible to even guess a value.. even with pics it wouldn't help without a maker,,someone had to make it!
bigcurt

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5 years ago #3
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well there is nothing on it but a few numbers ive looked everywhere do you know how i could find out anything on it cause ive took it to various people and they gave me a francotte name that is a possible maker

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5 years ago #4
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hello,,i'm sorry i ddin't see your first post with the markings on it listed,,i read your second part and it seemed like alot we get without much information included ,,the francotti helps ,,you mentioned crowns ,,are ther any letter under them ,,possibly take the forarm off and look under the barrels for crowns with possibly AF under them ..also look for "Francotte choke bore" under the barrels,,these markings should be there if it's a francotte shotgun ..from the refrence i'm getting in my books ,,francotte shotguns were special made and engraved to customer specs,,and from the ornate engraving and inlays yours has it's a good chance this may have been who made it,,but the proofs and markings must be correct,,these shotguns can be pretty pricy and a 1 of a kind item as such would be very difficult to actually value ,,because they were custom order only and they didn't make model number guns ,,prices in my book are very high and about good would range from 5000-6200,,and perfect could be as high as 15000+,,but the appeal would be to someone looking for a very unusual shotgun for a collection thats not your ordinary run of the mill factory made shotgun,,post a pic here if ya can to let other members see it,,just hit the tab in the reply box marked attach an image and find it on your computer and double click it then hit submit..i'd like to see the monkey with the ruby eyes ..lol..
pretty cool ..
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5 years ago #5
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monkey head with ruby eyes

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5 years ago #6
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crowns

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5 years ago #11
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also im not positive its the francotte guy a man just said once that it looks like it could possibly be his work but not positive

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5 years ago #12
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does anyone know this gun or who made it or has anyone ever seen one like it?

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5 years ago #13
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wow thats really cool,,very nice shotgun and i'd say you have a nice collectors item there and definatly a one of a kind with the engraving and stock work,,it sure would be cool to know who had it made ,,can you remove the forarm ? it should be fairly easy to remove proably either has a screw or it just pulls down and back,,i would like to know what proofs are on the watertable under the barrels ,,it may even give you some more clues to who made it or the country of origin,,the crowns could be british or mabey spanish but there should be proofs market on the bottom of the barrels and possibly on the shelf the barrels sit on,,really cool..thanks for sharing it with us ..
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5 years ago #14
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I have the basic same gun in 28 ga also. They are what I would refer to as Belgium made "guild" guns, in that several craftsman had a hand in putting it together, but no one "maker" put their name on it. My barrels say "made in Belgium" on the left barrel. It also says "Siemens Martin Extra" on one barrel then "epreuve officielle pour poudre sans fumes". I believe this translates to "officially tested for smokeless powder". Some of you French majors out there please correct me if I am wrong. The barrel flats and action show the Liege nitro proof marks, but no other signs of known makers marks appear. My barrles are interestingly choked cylender on the right (0), and full on the left (.16) They "ring like a bell" which I have been lead to believe make them of good quality and craftsmanship. The inside of the locks show reasonable craftsmanship, but do not have intercepting sears. So, I would suggest not keeping them cocked and at the ready unless you are actually ready to shoot. All other features of your gun, with the exception of the engraving, appear to be identicle. My engraving is more "bold floral" in style. Hope this helps identify and enlighten things for you.

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4 years ago #15
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so i have the same shotgun and been reading but still don't see a answer in this thread. mine has a head of what looks like maybe a abroigy head with jewel eyes

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4 years ago #16
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guess this site is out of date and unused. oh well

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4 years ago #17
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and your meaning is?

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4 years ago #18
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meaning it was a waste of his time making the post as well as a waste of mine reading and replying cause still as of date there is no answer posted to the question yet.

think a 1 Year, 9 Months ago is too soon to expect a answer to a question with all the details included?

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4 years ago #19
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It would help if you provide the make and model number. You didn't provide enough information to determine a real value. However, with the engraving, scroll work, and inlays it is comparable to some models valued at $1,500.00 to $2,000.00 USD. Be advised that this is an estimate based upon other models listed without knowing the actual make and model. An actual hands on appraisal by a qualified appraiser is recommended.
Hope this helps some,
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4 years ago #20
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all info available has already been stated by one or another of the post in this thread. there is no maker mark other than what is already been stated.

best i can tell from the books i've looked though it may be a Francotte but the pic was too small in the book to be sure.

thanks for the attempt and i'll let you know when i find out

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