Hi! I have a Winchester Model 70 XTR Featherweight .270 S/N ...

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Hi! I have a Winchester Model 70 XTR Featherweight .270 S/N G1526190 (Mfg 1981) Made in New Haven Conn. New in original box with original tags, brochures and original purchase receipt dated 1982. Never fired. It has the original factory preservation lubricant on it. (Never wiped down.) I intend to sell this rifle. Could you please give me a ask/sell value for it. Thanks, Roger

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Hello Roger,

Is it a Winchester or a U.S. Repeating Arms Co. made rifle?

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Hi! It is a Winchester.

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If that is the case, I do not believe that it was manufactured in 1981. Winchester got out of the firearms manufacturing business in late 1980 when they sold the original New Haven Factory to the newly formed U.S. Repeating Arms Co. The last Model 70 serial number listed as being manufactured by "Winchester" was G1525323.

Can you post pictures of the barrel markings and the marking on the butt plate?

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Yes, I will make pictures in the next minutes. Can I send them to your email address. I don't know how to send them through the forum. Thanks, Roger

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5 years ago #6
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Hi Bert, I have the pictures ready. See attached. Roger

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http://oldguns.net/sn_php/windateslookup.php
Winchester Model 70:
Covering numbers: 1 - 1537135.
The year of manufacture for serial number 1526190 is 1981.
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5 years ago #8
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There is another date table at http://proofhouse.com/win/index.html

It also shows the correct serial number for 1981.
I am not knowledgeable about the history of Winchester; so, I am completely lost here. Roger

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The pictures did not come through the first attempt.

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Hello Roger,

The serial number versus date of manufacture information found on both the websites you mention are not accurate. Both used the erroneous information published by George Madis many years ago.

The pictures tell me that what you have is a transitional rifle that was made in the very early months after the USRACo. took over from Winchester. The key clue is the trade mark symbol stamp on the barrel following the "WINCHESTER" name and preceding the "MODEL 70"... Winchester never marked them in that fashion. The USRACo. leased the trade marked "WINCHESTER" name from the Olin Corporation for a 25-year period starting with the takeover in 1981.

My bet is that your rifle was one of the first few thousand that the USRACo. manufactured in the latter part of the year 1981.

I believe that if you <phone> or (801) 876-3440, they should be able to tell you more specifically when it was made.

In regards to the value, it is tough to say how much it is worth today, as there really are not any "USRACo." collectors per se... at least not yet. That states, if you maintain it as NIB, it should appreciate in value in the future years. Today, I would estimate it has a value of at least $800, maybe a small amount more?

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WOW! Thanks Bert! I believe every word that you sent. It is evident that you have made this a lifetime study! I appreciate your help. Semper Fi! Roger

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Hello Roger,

You are quite welcome

And Yes, I have indeed made it a lifetime study and hobby.

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4 years ago #13
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Great info on the entire thread. I have the exact same rifle with the same markings however the serial number is G1523205 so I think mine is also most likely a transitional firearm however my serial number is lower than the one you referenced as the last one Winchester made. I would be curious if mine is Winchester or USRA?

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MB wrote:
Great info on the entire thread. I have the exact same rifle with the same markings however the serial number is G1523205 so I think mine is also most likely a transitional firearm however my serial number is lower than the one you referenced as the last one Winchester made. I would be curious if mine is Winchester or USRA?


Without seeing the rifle in person (or good pictures of it), I can not say if it is a transitional or a very late Winchester.

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I have model 70 xtr featherweight 30-06 nib that has the trademark symbol but is serial number 1,5021xxx
and has winchester recoil pad. If winchester 1981 production started with 1,493xxx this gun should have been produced before olin sold out. Maybe olin started putting the trademark symbol on before selling out?

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Greg D. wrote:
I have model 70 xtr featherweight 30-06 nib that has the trademark symbol but is serial number 1,5021xxx
and has winchester recoil pad. If winchester 1981 production started with 1,493xxx this gun should have been produced before olin sold out. Maybe olin started putting the trademark symbol on before selling out?


Hello Greg,

Winchester (Olin) sold out in late 1980... not 1981. At the time of the transfer to the USRACo. serial numbers had alledgedly reached the 1.52-million mark, but that does not mean that they were all assembled. It is very likely that the USRACo assembled receivers that had been serialized by Winchester in late 1980. Winchester did not ever stamp any of their guns with the trademark symbol.

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Hey Bert,
I thought that olin sold out in July81 but that makes sense, basically an olin receiver with a usrac barrel. Thanx for the info. Greg

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Hello Greg,

I have found and read two different dates for when Winchester transferred the ownership of the New Haven factory to USRACo. December 1980 and July 1981. What I believe is that Winchester shutdown all operations as of the end of the year 1980, and that USRACo finalized the take-over in July of 1981. What happened during the intervening 7-months is anyones guess.

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hey Bert,
Looking around on gunbroker I found a few model 70's prior to usrac carrying the copyright symbol.
among others, http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=263598055 http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=264689503

serials g140253x, g1448487 shud be 78/79 vintage. Do you think its possible that winchester used the symbol with the intro of the xtr model in 78?

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Greg,

I do not know. To be perfectly honest, I am not real familar with the late production Model 70 line of rifles, b ut I know someone who is. I will have to contact him and ask the question.

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Hey Bert,
That would be great. Anything you find out will be greatly appreciated. Greg

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I have been trying to find out more about my Model 70, 270. The images above look very similar to mine. I was told when I purchased this, that it was one of the last "true" Winchesters. but the S.N. is higher than the numbers in this discussion (G1543736). Is there a way that I could upload some pics for you. Very curious to find out if I was told the truth or not but it's really not huge deal, I'm not planning on selling the rifle. Thanks.

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Hello,

Adding pictures is easy... just under the message text box is the "Attach Photos" link. Click it and then click one of the six the "Browse" links. That will open a new window to your computer.

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4 years ago #24
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Hi Bart! I was the one that started the inquiry that led to your saying that you would be in contact with a friend that could tell us more about the copyright mark on my Model 70 .270 NIB G1526190. I was wondering if you found out anything more. Thanks! Roger

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Bert,
This is a thread that I believe many can benifit from. I was an FFL back in the 70's - 80's, and I puchased a new 70 xtr featherweight from a wholesaler who claimed the last of the Wichester made rifles. It came in a Winchester marked box, no indication of USRA on the box. But the recoil pad, thin red rubber is marked in small print under license of USRA. It also has the registration mark after the Winchester barrel stamp.
My other half lent the good camera out, or I would have included images for reference. The serial number starts with 16. Seems there are a lot of grey areas around this transitional area of Winchester. I have no expectations one way or another, just seeking knowledge. When the camera comes back, I will post detailed images
Leonard

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Roger wrote:
Hi Bart! I was the one that started the inquiry that led to your saying that you would be in contact with a friend that could tell us more about the copyright mark on my Model 70 .270 NIB G1526190. I was wondering if you found out anything more. Thanks! Roger


Hello Rodger,

He told me that he would need to see the rifle in person, and that there is no way to be sure without doing so.

What I did find out, is that the July 20th, 1981 date is when Olin licensed the USRACo. to use the "WINCHESTER" and "MODEL 70" trademarks. The serial number range for 1981 is 1493464 - 1525323 (January 1st - July 18th, 1981). Accordingly, the serial number on your rifle suggests that it is a USRACo. manufactured rifle, most likely in early August of 1981.

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Hi Bart! Thank you very much! Roger

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Not sure if these pics will be good enough (quality wise) I had to use the camera on my phone

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LRB1200 wrote:
Bert,
This is a thread that I believe many can benifit from. I was an FFL back in the 70's - 80's, and I puchased a new 70 xtr featherweight from a wholesaler who claimed the last of the Wichester made rifles. It came in a Winchester marked box, no indication of USRA on the box. But the recoil pad, thin red rubber is marked in small print under license of USRA. It also has the registration mark after the Winchester barrel stamp.
My other half lent the good camera out, or I would have included images for reference. The serial number starts with 16. Seems there are a lot of grey areas around this transitional area of Winchester. I have no expectations one way or another, just seeking knowledge. When the camera comes back, I will post detailed images
Leonard


Hello Leonard,

Your rifle is definitely a USRACo. manufactured rifle.

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fyrfytr233 wrote:
Not sure if these pics will be good enough (quality wise) I had to use the camera on my phone


Your Model 70 appears to be a very late production transitional rifle. The serial number indicates production after July of 1981.

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