Anybody help here? BIGCURT? I printed out and then lost the schematic for above. Now I can’t find the site again…….

Duh!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Hope I’m not breaking any rules here but I’d like to recommend a great engraver/smith. I found this site while trying to find an engraver in my area (Northern llinois). Why are engravers so hard to find in this area? I bought my Grandkids Henery Rifles to be given to them as something special from “Papa” when they’re old enough. I don’t think 6 is too young to start the process of learning. Anyway, as I said, I found  Angela on the internet. She owns a gun shop in Frankston, Texas a short drive from Dallas.

Angela has done several jobs for me over the past 6 months. An engraving on a Henry H001 reciever, trigger work

 and jeweling a on a Model 1911 and currently working on some grips for my 1884 Colt Army Special 32/20. You can check her web at This e-mail address is being protected from spam bots, you need JavaScript enabled to view it or This e-mail address is being protected from spam bots, you need JavaScript enabled to view it .

It may seem a bit silly, I supose, to ship items to Texas from the Chicagoland area but the prices are resonable and return timely.

Anyone out there who may know an engraver close by Chicago?

I’m new here on Gun Value and hope I can contribute something to the site.

I’ve been an avid WWll battle rifle collector since recieving my Concealed Carry permit thru Fed. Gov. law signed into effect by President Bush. This has enabled thousands of former Police Officer’s to continue to protect the general public thru their years of experience and training. It is a especially crucial during these times of domestic terrorism confronting or Country. These Retired Officer’s offer an extension of the eye’s of law Enforcement as trained observer’s.

I am happy and proud of a Son also following in his Father;s footstep in choosing Law Enforcement as his carrer choice. He is an eight year veteran and K-9 Officer with a north suburban Chicago Police Dept.

Thanks for letting me contribute.

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The Wood Looks Pretty Good? Might Be Sad News for Value.

Photo 27 Left side of stock. The reason the wood looks pretty good is that it has been sanded and refinished. Bad news for value. Almost terminal. You can tell by the poor fit of the metal butt plate to the wood. There is a gap at the upper inside curve and the wood is short of the end of the plate at the bottom.

Photo 39 Right side of stock. Same problem with the inside upper curve. In addition, the wood is sanded lower than the metal at the upper end of the steel butt plate. The wood should actually be just a bit higher than the metal edge.

Look for Wood Replacements

Photo 30 Left side of fore end. Obvious wood replacement at left upper corner. Rear sight elevator is not original. That is the vertical triangular metal piece on the sight.

Look for Other Non Original Parts

Photo 29 Left side of receiver. Upper screw is not original. End of stock wood fits poorly at metal. And as you mentioned it is missing the dust cover.

Photo 59 Bottom of lever and stock. You can see just how poorly the wood fit to the receiver is on the upper side.

Look for Re-Bluing Jobs

Photo 31 Left side of barrel. From this photo and others of the metal it is obvious that the rifle has had a poor re-bluing job sometime long ago. The high edges of the octagon barrel are almost the same color as the flats and they should show much more wear on them. In addition, the lever is blued. They were originally case colored and should be much more grey than they are. One other problem is that Winchester receivers almost always have less blue on them than the barrels. On this rifle the receiver has the same coverage as the barrel. A sure sign of something not original.

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Zig-Zag Derringer Production 1961-1862, less then 1000 produced.

This is the Remington Zig-Zag derringer which was obviously named for the zig-zag groves in the breech end of the rotating barrel which is a key part of the revolving mechanism.  This is the first Remington firearm designed for the then new metallic cartridge.  This 22 short in a six-shot rotating barrel ring trigger type double action with a concealed hammer which extends into the grip.  The firearm is loaded through a port in the frame at the breech and actually fires from the bottom barrel.  In my research I have located nearly 150 examples from around the world with serials from no 2 to 987,   Do to is complicated mechanism they are quite delicate and expensive to produce.  The new Remington-Elliot 5 barrel (fixed barrel) was designed and in production before all the previously manufactured parts we assembled into firearms.  During that period of production no parts were ever wasted!  This is again one of the cases where the survival rates of boxes makes the box actually more valueable then the firearm.  This box (one of two that exists) has a card which were commonly handed out on the street in the days surounding the civil war.  This card has become one with the box and interesting enough has 34 stars which represents Kansas the 34th state in 1861 which dates exactly to the production date of the firearm.