4 years ago #1
mrdarkhorse
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.32 calibur. It's got the Belgian lion and PV stamped on it, with a letter "E" below. Also an "A" stamp in front of the trigger, and a "T" behind and below the trigger.

5 digit serial number 2xxxx. (all numbers)

Any ideas?

Not looking to sell or anything, just curious about its origins.

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4 years ago #2
mrdarkhorse
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Nothing?

By the way I looked it up. Serial is 29742.

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4 years ago #3
KerryL
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Very difficult to date m1922's. The slide address stamp looks post war. The grips are not original. I'm assuming there are no contract markings on the gun? I'm on my cell phone so the pic isn't too big but it looks like pitting under the finish? This would indicate the pistol has been refinished.

I'd put the value at around $200

Kerry

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4 years ago #4
Berettamen
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mrd,

It would be nice to see the other side but based on what I see and the serial I'd say this was a contract pistol manufactured in the 1930's. Perhaps you have a slide that has been change? Does the serial on the slide match? Sometimes you'll see another serial on these contract pistols, usually in the 200,000 range. Pull back the slide and look underneath in the slide rails for a serial number.

KerryL is right, these 1922 pistols are difficult to establish manufacturing dates especially with just a single side view. But based on what I see (and the serial nr.) I'd say 1930-1939 manufacture for some government in Europe. FN sold to many countries and probably half the time used a separate serial range for these sales.

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4 years ago #5
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Some more pictures. I will disassemble it to get some of the slide, etc.

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4 years ago #6
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There you go... more pictures of the insides.

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4 years ago #7
KerryL
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Berettamen

Why do you think pre-war contract? I see no contract markings and the address stamp has sans-seriff font with a dash between Herstal and Belgique like post-war models.

Looks to me like a 50's refinish.

Kerry

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4 years ago #8
Berettamen
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KerryL,

Good question. It is difficult on these pistols with few or no markings but the big indicator for me is the [A] on the trigger guard and the 17-serration count. Both of these together, even without the bevel on the lug, indicated 1930-1940 manufacturing. I usually key on the trigger guard letter/numbers/icons for date of manufacture clues if the serial number isn't a good indicator.

The lack of a serif or the inclusion of a dash is something I've seen before. Remember FN had three pieces of equipment applying the slide scrolls at times and they were rarely set identically.

And I agree the refinish is awhile ago which certainly has dropped the value deep below $300 down to that $150 - $200 range. Sorry about that, mrdarkhorse.

Check out page 85 on Anthony Vanderlinden's latest FN book.

And mrdarkhorse thanks for the extra pictures. I appreciate the serial number on the slide. While there is little information on who this pistol was built for it certainly seems to me a contract pistol as his has its own serial range for the period based on the details. Of course this is just my opinion.

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4 years ago #9
KerryL
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Dan,

Funny, I never noticed the dates assigned to the inspection markings on page 85. On page 196 they show a post-war m1910 slide address stamp that matches the info on page 222 for the m1922. I've always looked to date 1922/1910's from the address stamp if I couldn't figure it out from the serial number or contract/Nazi markings.

I also believe the serial numbers started again for this model post-war. I just saw (almost bought) an early 1950's "Occupied Berlin" 1922 marked with the Berlin star and the letter A indicating it was assigned to the American Sector the other day. It's serial number was 189,000ish. Unfortunately, it had the slide milled out to provide a "loaded chamber indicator" prior to import, so even though it looked like it had never been fired, I let it go.

Where do you see info clarifying the number of slide serrations. I never knew you could assign a date-period by the serrations. Does the same hold true for the m1910?

Kerry

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3 years ago #10
Berettamen
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KerryL (and mrdarkhorse),

I quite unhappily add to this post as I now look like much more than an idiot. But I have come around to see that this pistol may actually be a very early post-war pistol. The [6] in the slide rail and the potential for the [A] along with the dash between the HERSTAL and BELGIQUE could all add up to 1946 production.

Sorry about this, KerryL. You very likely called this correctly. The early return to production after the war was a time when production methods and employees were trying to return to a normal manufacturing environment while rebuilding the factory. Using prewar and wartime and now postwar parts without a fully skilled staff did create for a variety of inspectors marks.

I feel quite the horse's **** over my insistence on this being a prewar 1930's production. While it may be a prewar frame with a postwar slide it is very likely a 1946 pistol from a variety of parts, probably all postwar.

Dan

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3 years ago #11
donriker
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Dan and all, I am looking at a model 1922 with pre-war markings and the very same grips as in this gun. Serial number close: 29,448. I believe the grips are a second variation grip that replaced the plastic monogrammed grips prior. No Waffenamts or any other marks suggesting Army or contract distribution or acceptance. Oddly the inspector's mark is a K but with a clear arrowhead above both marks, not a star. This could be a punch problem but it appears more than once. This pistol has been hardly used. Is it possible that the gun never left the factory, was smuggled out, or sold in private use. Or is there any information on rejection or test stamps in use at FN? Could the small arrowhead be something other than an angled star punch? I suspect the gun was assembled in 1941 from pre-war components; what happened after that is hard to say. Could it have been rejected and later liberated in September 1944?

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3 years ago #12
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don,

As you can see from these postings the dating of a Model 1922 FN can be a bit confusing. The marks you describe are not entirely clear to me. Can you post some images?

If not how about the markings on the trigger guard both sides? How many serrations (cut) into the slide? And does the slide extension have a bevel ground into it so as to smoothly transition from slide to extension or is there a hard edge (on the same plane as the slide scroll) where these pieces meet?

Any crests or images on top of the slide?

Is the slide scroll all in upper case letters LIKE THIS or is the 'DE' actually 'de' on the slide? How about a spacing of the BROWNING'S PATENT DEPOSE or a larger space between PATENT and DEPOSE?

How about the barrel markings as seen through the slide ejector window?

That should do it. Lots of ? to be sure but each can add some answers to proper assembled parts or mixed parts, etc.

Dan

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2 years ago #13
Robson
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I've got an FN 1922 , every single part has the serial number on it, starts with a 3.
The Dutch marks are all over it.

First my Grandfather had it, than my Dad and now I.

I kept it clean etc for years and fired onde round per year.

The last round was too old or in any case not good, the sound was much louder, and the empty slug got stuck.

During re assembly I noticed one end of the barrel was much wider than the other half.....

Where can I find one?

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2 years ago #14
Berettamen
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I am going to assume you mean the barrel has a bulge in it?

Try ebay and gunbroker as they come available often.

Dan

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2 years ago #15
Robson
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Thanks I'll try that. It needs to be shipped to Holland.

Well the barrel end halve is thinner than the starting half (sorry, my English is not good enough to explain it any better).

I fired one round but the empty shell wasn't ejected and the gun jammed.

I field stripped the gun, and the spring around the barrel came of with great difficulty.

When the front muzzle part is attached I can't load it.

When it is not attached I can.

Maybe I should post a photo.

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