I recently purchased an Arisaka Type 30 Bayonet with scabbard off e-bay. When it arrived I noticed no makers marks of any kind on it. After research I have found some that say it wad due to late war production shortcuts and others that say it is fake. Does anyone know the real story? I would be most grateful if somebody knows for sure.
An open ended question like this to determine authenticity is only going to answered by photos for knowledgeable people on this site to view.
hello..yes pics would be very helpful,,there are alot of fake or repro's out there some are pretty decent copys and some are pretty bad ,,i personally never saw an original that wasn't stamped as to the maker or arsenal,,when ya bought it did ya question it's authenticity and did the seller guarrentee it to be an original japanese bayonet with a money back guarrentee?
i know the japanese ww2 made bayonets are all marked as far as i know ,,but i'm not sure if they were pre war ,,maybe someone can chime in here ,,i see what i can find out ,,
hello again ,,i did some checking in a book i have and there no mention of the bayonets being unmarked ,,late war models were cruder and sometimes will be found without the blood groove and with wooden scabards but there just no information reguarding unmarked type 30 blades..price would proably factor in on an original ,,i can't see an original going for less than 75 bucks on a good day..ide note i did a webcrawler search on unmarked arisaka bayonet here http://www.webcrawler.com/search/web?fcoid=417&
fcop=topnav&fpid=27&q=unmarked+arisaka+bayonets&ql= i stand corrected ,,it appeares that some of the bayonets for the training rifles were not marked and also there are some rare naval bayonets that were not marked ,, RCARMS have one for sale in there bayonet section for 149.00 ,,i guess we learn something new every day..
Thanks for the insight I have attached some pics so maybe we can get a difinative answer on it. I do have 7 days to return it if I am unsatisfied. It would be a shame if it turned out to be fake I really like the piece but I do want authentic.
Thanks for your help.
Las Vegas, NV
Big Curt points out some very valid points.
Just my 2 cents. Quality of manufacture by the Japanese. By what I can see in your photos, it may be this blade had a lot of metal removed from it, enough to remove original arsenal marks. I have attached an image of one of my unaltered bayonets for your comparison. Note the crispness of the blood grove, and how the bottom of the blade tapers to a finer edge.
While I have seen many "Training" or "Last Ditch" bayonets I have not seen one like yours. The fun part of this is perhaps you have what I'd call a "transition" bayonet partially (by mistake or intention) finished moving from a blade with a fuller (blood groove) and blade edge to a blade with neither an edge or fuller.
I would feel pretty comfortable with hanging on to this blade depending on how much you paid for it. It otherwise seems to have enough of what looks like original wood and patina to be from the period.
Once the Japanese decided to manuf. blades without the edge dropping the fuller would follow in right behind with the decision to manuf. them as quickly as possible for the what they thought was the impending invasion of Japan. Yours may be a "transition" blade.
An interesting piece if not too expensive.
Thanks guys I really apreciate the help, FYI I paid $51 for it plus $7 shipping.
You are sitting just fine. I suspect your bayonet to be original based on the photos you uploaded. If you had better, clearer images I might have another opinion but the bayonet does not seem faked in any way.
If you upload a few better images perhaps showing what the details of what worries you about this bayo.
Given the interest in your bayonet, I have
2 1/2 cents to contribute. Not evaluating condition,
I make it a late type 30 training bayonet.
chris, it could be a training bayonet
Chris I to have a bayonet with no marking on it at all.no symbols and no numbers. Mine has one single screw on both sides to holding the handle together. Mine was my fathers and I found it behind his door in the living room when we was cleaning out his house after he passed away last year.
It's probably a training bayonet. Most training bayonets have little, if no markings on them. I have a few taht came with the original T38 training rifle.
Training bayonets did not generally have any makers marks on them
I also have a very similar bayonet that I got from my grandfather when I was a kid. It has no markings and looks like it has never been sharpened. Probably for training. Does anyone have any idea what it might be worth?
The bayonet is original japanese trainer bayonet... I buy and sell WW2 stuff i had a lot of collection of bayonets with all different kinds of markings except the korean made. I am 100% your bayonet is Genuine I got two of those I sold it for $50 dollars for sword and it comes with metal scabbard.... base on my research the trainer is most expensive than regular japanese bayonet kokura (with quillon) lets say in between $50-$120
Awesome man. Thanks for your help.