hello..the 1909 argintine mausers were a 29"barreled rifle based on the german gew -98 ,,some were made in germany..and around 85000 were built in argintinammthere should be a crest on the receiver ring of 2 hands holdin a staff with a birds head on top,,
,,values for the 1909 would be in the 300 good -around 500 exc if original and with matching serial numbers,,The german made variations would maybe bring a little more at a good military auction,,biggest factor with military rifles is they have to be in original configuration with all correct parts ,,import stamped guns will value 25% less than non import stamped rifles ,,there was also a sniper rifle version of the 1909 and his rifle would value around 200 more without the scope ,,the scopes were made in germany and if it would happen to have the original scope the value would go up,,but these are very hard examples of the 1909 rifle to find these day and chances are your's is proably just the standard 1909 rifle,,
A+ condition all numbers match
hello,,the argintine model 1909 was originally chambered for the 7.65 argintine cartridge ,,when i first replyed i really didn't notice the factor that it was converted to 30-06,,this was a fairly common practice in the 50's and this factor changes the values i gave you originally ,,it changes the collectable value to a sporting rifle value ,,the conversion was basically just running a 30-06 reamer into the chamber and wa-la instant sporter in a more available caliber ,,i'd bet the stock has been shortened and it proably looks like a deer rifle..and values for the converted model will depend how nicely they were done ,,i'd say for a value range ..150-200 to someone looking for a good knock around deer rifle ..the original rifles in original caliber would be more in the 300-450 range complete ..in original configuration ..
mine has the two handed crest but, no bird has sunshine on horizon
looking for a bolt stop & spring Assy for a 1909 argintine,can you help?
I have a 1909 with all matching serial #s willing to sell for the right price.
In response to big Curt (if you are still around).
I recently got a 1909 Argentine Mauser (un-issued) and a Peru model as well. The Peru is stamped for 30-06 and I hesitated at first, but then read that the USA was supplying Peru with surplus 30-06 ammo in the fifties to keep them on our side and not Russia's, so Peru re-arsenaled their current rifles as well as dipping into their old 1909's to accept the 30-06 cartridge. Everything else was left as is. I would hardly call that sporterizing, but it may indeed lessen the value. It may add to the history too though
I do not claim to know a lot about
these weapons, but my Argentine Mauser is also a 30-06. I can't understand why I can't find the original 7.65 caliber stamped on it somewhere or evidence where it was concealed in
some way. Was the Original 7.65 caliber stamped on the weapon or was it just understood the caliber was 7.65? Unless the barrel has been changed. If that is the case, why would someone go to the trouble to change the barrel and put the Argentine markings on the new barrel.
I have no desire to start an argument, there are just questions
I wonder about
Not a new barrel... original barrel was has the chamber cut to accept US round.
Yes I understand it didn't take much to bore the chamber so one of our 30-06 rounds would fit.
My statement was, why can I not find the original caliber 7.65 stamped on the barrel of my Argentine Mauser. There is no evidence what so ever this weapon was ever anything but a 30-06. I do understand, this is not normal, but everything on this weapon
has the same serial number. The barrel, the butt plate the clip, the bolt, and the stock.
There has to be an explanation, I would just like to know more about the weapon.
I just got a 1909 and it has 30-06 stamped on the left side of the barrel. All the # match and it is a carbine. Have I got a rare gun or just something someone made to shoot?
I have the same weapon. The stock is short, but all serial numbers match as well and I have the model that has the sun (with a sun face) on the horizon. I bought the rifle from a buddy for $100 to deer hunt on a mutual friends farm (for the long range, usually use a 12ga rifled barrel w/sabots). I took it to a gunsmith to have it tapped out for a scope. The gunsmith called me the next day and asked me to come to his shop, wouldn't tell me why on the phone. When I got there he showed me the rifle in a big thick gun book. He told me that he didn't want to drill into the rifle because it would ruin the value of it. He told me that the gun was very rare, being stamped 30.06 and the matching #s, etc. He told me that the rifle was worth about $4,000 - that was 1990. I shot the rifle only twice, once when I bought it from him and again yesterday at the range. It kicks like an angry mule!!! We need to research this more, so lets tag-team and figure this out!
my 1909 has the 7.65 stamped on the barrel is that better then having the 30-06 and it has all the orgainal markings and all number match so what would be a good $ for this
4-500 all day if nice
I just bought a Mauser that is stamped cal 30-06 Mauser Modelo Argentino 1909 and Deutsche Waffen-UND Munitionsfabriken Berlin, It has markings all over it. The Ring Emblem is two Wreaths with a sun with a face on top, inside the wreaths is a oval with horizontal lines starting at the top and ending have way down the oval. There are two hands holding a staff with a winter beanie 0n top. The point of the beanie flops to the left. The floppped beanie is stamped on the left of the front sight post, under the bottom of the weapon, on the lever action assembly.
There is a anchor stamped into the top of the rear sights and on the lever action assembly.
The #19 is stamped under the rear sight assembly. The lever action assembly has mark 11 stamped in the butt end.
Do you know what book your gunsmith referenced when he gave you the 4000.00 value of your gun? Would like his opinion on this weapon.. All serial numbers I can find match. Open to opionions of rarity and value.
bluing is in excellent shape , wood has been restained I think ( it is walnut colored) all matching #,s , rifling is in good to excellent shape there is some letters on left side , behind the e. jercito argentine ,mauser mod. 1909 markings , that are .D G . F .M. -( F.M. A. P. ) SERIAL# 001111 , JUST CURIO uS HOW OLD IT MIGHT BE & ALSO NEED THE ORIGINAL SLING !if anyone knows where I can get one , let me know @ or contact me on facebook ( kevin marret sr.
Thanks for the info. I believe I have the original sniper rifle.
I was wondering what my 1909 Mauser Modelo Argentino 1909 is worth. is 1909 the year of manufacturing? It also say's Deutsche Waffen-UND MunitionsFabriken Berlin on the Barrel. also G5309 on barrel and D6500 on stock.overall rifle is real good shape...Thanks
same as above sir...just read others 1909s
need a photo to see your condition etc
Hello, I seriously doubt the thousand dollar values. I also have this same gun with the 30-06 stamped in the left side of the barrel and numbers matching, with the markings, so It seems there are many of these out there. I also bought this gun from a gunsmith years ago for about 150. Just FYI
30-06 means its been rebarreled or re chambered...no collector value...eve if original 800 is tops
how much is it worth
If reemed out for 30/06 then its a shooter at 200 tops
from my experience, the value is this. However much the seller and the buyer can agree on together. Either the buyer wont give more than this much or the seller wont take that little for it and would rather keep it. A very nice model will make a buyer want to pay more, no matter how much of a collectors market there is for it.
As for the models that have 30-06 on the barrels, Its not very hard to purchase a letter/number stamp kit and stamp it right in. a company that can bore out the barrel can easily take 2 seconds and stamp 30-06 into the barrel. Most converters do that to cover there back sides from sue happy people who would put the wrong ammo in it and hurt themselves. That being said, These Mausers, 30-06 or not are considered to be a benchmark design and are of very high quality. I have over 25 guns. I shoot them all. When I go deer hunting, I take the mauser. How much value should a perfect hunting rifle have? 20 years ago I gave $150 for it. I wouldnt sell it today for $500. Just FYI
how do i tell how old it is and the condition of this gun
The models that have the 30-06 mark on the barrel are newer models than the ones with 8mm in the barrel and converted. These were made after the U.S. started supplying them with 30-06 bullets to keep them on our side during the war. A lot of people say that a 30-06 bullet is a little loose for this bore, but I can't even stick the bullet into the muzzle due to the tightness. I struggle to believe the bore should be any tighter than this for the 30-06 bullet.
If the chamber is reamed for 30/06 and the barrel is 7.65 it won't shoot well. 30/06 uses a .308 bullet while the 7.65 uses the .311/.312 bullet.
You can neck size 30/06 casesfor 7.65, fire form, trim and load 'em again loaded with 7.65 bullets and they shoot quite well
An interesting thread resurrected from years ago.
The only constructive thing I can add is that if there is any doubt about either chambering and or actual bore diameter a chamber cast and or slugging the bore is called for.
To answer bore diameter issues only - simply slugging the bore and measuring the slug will answer the question of what diameter bullet to use.
I agree with the comment that if the bore is .311/.312" in diameter, using a bullet that is .308" in diameter will not provide the best accuracy under normal conditions.
Conversely if the bore is .308/309", using a bullet that is .311/.312" is not the best idea.
The only time I would shoot a bullet .002-.003" over the groove diameter is when shooting cast bullets.
When shooting jacketed bullets, you want to stay at the same size of the groove diameter. Its OK to go .001-.002" over the groove diameter with jacketed bullets, but keep in mind you start to raise pressures by going to larger dia. bullets.